Curse

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

How does making things cheap hurt people? For one thing, if things were cheap then I wouldnt have to spend as much for items and I'd save enough to get my 15k armor. How does making items extremely expensive help me? Unless I was a farmer hoarding this stuff to sell. So you have it backwards. Making things cheaper will help the majority and "hurt" only a few (the greedy hoarding farmers)

You're not even making sense. How does the price of gold items negatively affect your getting nice armor. It doesn't. I know. I have Grotto armor and am going for Fissure armor.

I use a collectors weapon and offhand item. I know perfectly well that I don't need fancy gold stuff. What are you buying thats slowing your progress towards armor?

Every gold item you find, is a lottery ticket that might be a huge boost towards that armor you want. Cheap gold items make it HARDER to get the expensive armor.

Please stop with the 'greedy hoarding farmer' stuff. You realize the counterpart to that is the 'lazy welfare noob'?

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Yamat

How so? The system works perfectly well... you either buy something with faction, or unlock it through PvE. What part of that doesn't work?

PvE does not prepare you for PvP...any idiot with 8 random skills can button smash his way through PvE...

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

PvE does not prepare you for PvP...any idiot with 8 random skills can button smash his way through PvE...

While I agree that PvE does not prepare you for PvP per se, it is more than button mashing. There is a lot of PvE content that is HARD! (Lornars Pass/UW/FoW/Thunderhead Keep/etc)

capitalist · Sep 10, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Two types of people in this thread.

The people who are complaining about the green items and higher drops rates = people who can only enjoy the game from the self worth they get from spending hours and hours farming for that "rare uber" item that no one else has. They like to (as Shadowspawn puts it) make the have-nots jealous.

Then there are the rest who want to actually play the game and enjoy it.

Then play it and enjoy it and we will farm...

Eet GnomeSmasher · Sep 10, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

You're not even making sense. How does the price of gold items negatively affect your getting nice armor. It doesn't. I know. I have Grotto armor and am going for Fissure armor.
I use a collectors weapon and offhand item. I know perfectly well that I don't need fancy gold stuff. What are you buying thats slowing your progress towards armor?
Every gold item you find, is a lottery ticket that might be a huge boost towards that armor you want. Cheap gold items make it HARDER to get the expensive armor.
Please stop with the 'greedy hoarding farmer' stuff. You realize the counterpart to that is the 'lazy welfare noob'?

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)

Hey you're the one complaining about how things will be too cheap and how that will hurt everyone. You're the one who isnt making sense.

And you're telling me that you dont need gold items. I never said I needed them. Yet you're here complaining about how it's going to be hard getting Fissure armor when everything is cheap. You dont NEED fissure armor. So stop being a hyprocrite.

Sanji · Sep 10, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

It uproots the MMORPG hierarchy: obsessive players with time>less obsessive players with less time. I suppose I won't have to argue the point of MMORPGs, but just in case, some people ENJOY that feeling of elation when you're one of 20 people that can afford something.

Oh, and yes, I'm aware of the fact that Guild Wars isn't supposed to be this type of MMORPG, but habitual expectations die hard, and some people want that aspect of an MMORPG in the game.

Playing Guild Wars to power level and power farm so that you can achieve a level of exclusivity that others can only dream of is like going to a vegetarian restaurant and ordering a suckling pig because it has an apple in it's mouth.

The vegetarian restaurant will probably have the apples, but they can't help you if want a whole pig. The same applies to Guild Wars.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Sep 10, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Seriously...some of you are expecting the wrongs things from the wrong game.

Deltu · Sep 10, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I think that this patch was added to make the game more frustrating but easier a tthe same time. While guild expansion is more annoying now, you can borrow people for Guild vs Guild battles, making that easier but kind of stupid. Also, the rarity of these green items is to be questioned. Theyre good, yes, but so far finding them is difficult. Farming for them is hard and youll be lucky if you get one. The price you can sell or buy them for is also questionable, as is hwo much gold is worth now

Now that these green nitems ar out, there will be no more commerce in Guild Wars, hich i think is excellent. There is no more need for silly things such as trading, except for now getting money for things that arent easily found will be difficult.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Sep 10, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

As far as the farmers go, all I have to say is this:

If you were really farming to get items for other people, you wouldnt charge someone their damn soul just to buy it. Farmers are the reason the economy prices raised so damn high. People always have to see how much they can get out of someone.

If you hadnt charged so much for items, Anet wouldnt have given great items to people for so cheap. The loss in value of Gold and Purple just sets things right.

THOSE ITEMS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Sanji · Sep 10, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

As far as the farmers go, all I have to say is this:

If you were really farming to get items for other people, you wouldnt charge someone their damn soul just to buy it. Farmers are the reason the economy prices raised so damn high. People always have to see how much they can get out of someone.

If you hadnt charged so much for items, Anet wouldnt have given great items to people for so cheap. The loss in value of Gold and Purple just sets things right.

THOSE ITEMS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I am quoting Arcanis because I strongly agree. It's becoming apparent that price gouging is an undesirable social aspect Anet is endevouring to discourage.

They did it with Sigils, they did it with Runes, and now they're doing it with "perfect" weapons.

Was it caused by an oversight of Anet's? Sure.

But they're fixing it.

Deltu · Sep 10, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Oh no doubt, One Piece Watcher. I have only been playing for s long, and eeen tho i have 2 character sascended, neither is beaten. I haven't been around long enough for farming gold and purple, and never did sell or farm them. My source of income WAS some chest farming outside of droks and port seldge, but with the new mod its pointless.

Farmers who actually far to sell are always looking to squeeze the most out opf people. If your going to farm to sell, do it low so people will actually buy. Ther was one person who wanted me to pay 55k for a green smiting rod, then sed my green cane wasnt worth as much. Same mods, too. This economy is corrupted, but shouldnt even be there. There shouldn't be trading for money anymore, that is a wide open window for people to launch their scamming careers.

As far as Sigils and Runes go, runes not so har dto come by. Sigils are harder. But now with all the keys and u get your own chest thing, farmers are encouraged to try harder places like Fissure and Underworld. Maybe an Anet person will find our forums and read them

mattchoo89 · Sep 10, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by warban

No one is going to take you seriously anymore.

OWNED.

rofl.

Deltu · Sep 10, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

If that was about the farming thing and someone opposed you then i must agree. Warban, youve been owned. (Counter Strike Rules!)

Carinae · Sep 10, 2005, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Hey you're the one complaining about how things will be too cheap and how that will hurt everyone. You're the one who isnt making sense.

And you're telling me that you dont need gold items. I never said I needed them. Yet you're here complaining about how it's going to be hard getting Fissure armor when everything is cheap. You dont NEED fissure armor. So stop being a hyprocrite.

You said you wish everything would be cheap so you could save for 15k armor. If you don't need Gold items, then why should you be glad they are cheaper? You should be upset because now you can't sell them for a portion of that armor you want.

I'm making perfect sense. They increased the occurrence of Gold items, which will decrease the value of these items. If I find a Gold item, I can't sell it for as much.

However the thing I want to buy, Fissure Armor, costs the same. This patch sets me back.

Yamat · Sep 10, 2005, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

PvE does not prepare you for PvP...any idiot with 8 random skills can button smash his way through PvE...

On that point, I can completely agree, but the system isn't at fault, its the monumentally stupid monster AI. And as Carinae Dragonblood pointed out, there are some 'tougher' areas... still, you don't have to go to those areas before entering PvP...

Eet GnomeSmasher · Sep 10, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

However the thing I want to buy, Fissure Armor, costs the same. This patch sets me back.

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)

Again, how does this hurt most people as you stated earlier (I have to show you your quote yet again) It only "hurts" people like you that want Fissure Armor. And you don't need Fissure Armor. Gold items are more useful since they have more mods. Like I said before, you're being a hyprocrite when you're telling people that they dont need gold items yet you're crying about not getting fancy armor. Try again.

Sanji · Sep 10, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Fissure Armor is overpriced and for the most part ugly, anyhow.

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Sanji

Fissure Armor is overpriced and for the most ugly, anyhow.

Nah the warriors armor just looks deformed like legs attached to the stomach other than that they all look good.

Sanji · Sep 10, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

Nah the warriors armor just looks deformed like legs attached to the stomach other than that they all look good.

And you know, that thing on his head that looks like a Gimp Mask and Shredder's helmet got into a fight.

Yamat · Sep 10, 2005, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Sanji

And you know, that thing on his head that looks like a Gimp Mask and Shredder's helmet got into a fight.

LOL!

But what's not to like about the female mesmer gear?!